Teen Gothic

Just like how teens are known as "baby bats" is there something for someone who's older who's getting into the scene?

I was reading an interview with Peter Murphy from 2018 here and he had a different story about the first use of Gothic (Or actually Gothick in this case) than what Ian Astbury has said, which I thought might interest this sub.

In the interview he quotes the name of the old article, "Gothick as a brick", stating that it was the first time the term gothic was applied to music. I thought the name of the article sounded familiar, and found it in my copy of the book "bauhaus: beneath the mask". Here it is, from NME, apparently written soon after "In the Flat Field" was released in 1980. The article does seem to indicate at the very least that the genre didn't have a name at that point. It's amusing what a tasteless snob the interviewer was.

Edit: fixed the link

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I know these aren’t genres this sub talks about much because they aren’t goth but. I’m having trouble categorizing this stuff outside of goth/industrial proper

In today’s age goth is labeled as cool somewhat depends or in early 2000s people would get bullied for being from the norm . but in the 80s how was that life like . And I know bands hate being labeled but I’m talking about the bands pov. What did they think a goth was in there time that, that name had a bad rep . How would they be described

The only thing I have conjured a small detail which is funny

Andrew : ME GOTH how ?I wear pyjamas or shorts in my house

That’s was a funny statement from Andrew

Would he think goths wear there garments at home ??

How did bands perceive typical goths in 80s

Or "baby bat", whichever you prefer.

In the early 00s, I saw "babybat" everywhere. A term of endearment and acceptance. Someone new to the subculture who listened to actual goth music, unlike the edgy teenagers who mistook Marilyn Manson and Slipknot for goth musicians. (There was a derogatory phrase for those people: "spookykids".)

Lots of members of this sub have used that phrase. Whenever I did, I was met with disapproval. "It's extremely patronizing."

Which is it? What are your thoughts?

Hi! I've just joined the alt-goth community and trying to learn more about it each day, I know there are terms that use to call each other. I heard that 'baby bat' is used for newcomers to the community. I don't know if that just for teens early 20s. I'm 28 so it matter on age to use that term or is there another one.

I’m brand new to the subculture and loving it here so far but I’m not really comfortable describing myself as a baby bat. definitely get the appeal of the term, I think it’s just personal preference; wondering if there are alternatives. If there aren’t I’m content to just call myself “new” lol but I was just curious

Ey up all,

This is something thats been on my mind for awhile and I dont think its just within the goth scene but hear me out.

I have discussed this with my friends that confirmed it and also once with a large goth youtuber (AB) during a live stream through chat.

So I want to see if any of you, perhaps more so during your youth reduced your accent to not sound like the people around you, this could be because you disliked your local dialect or for where I am from, to not sound like the local chavs.

other more out there reasons maybe influences from band members, to sound more smart, or influences for say in UK to sound like charters from movies who spoke "proper" English with a london / posh dialect, or maybe you moved and had issues being understood.

I hope this makes sense, the main point im trying to ask is, did you change your dialect due to not liking your own? because generally within the scene I have noticed most folk are quite well spoken.

Again i have spoke to a few people about this and a few certinly have confirmed it.

I am researching it for my own video for youtube.

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Thank you all.

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Full disclosure: I would not consider myself a goth, but I have been getting more and more into goth music over the course of the last couple of years, but it is not really the genre that my heart most belongs to.

What I've noticed about some "goth discourse" on line is this term "goth-adjacent", which is used to define bands/artists that are maybe not necessarily goth, but are included in the scene in some marginal way because they're played at clubs, or have a similar vibe, or for whatever reason have been swept up into the vernacular of the general "goth-o-sphere".

Now, I find a term like this kind of useful, but it does have a down-side of being rather vague, and what some consider goth-adjacent can change depending on where people are from, or even when it was that some artists came into their scene.

So if I was listening to a mixture of goth bands like Switchblade Symphony, Love Like Blood, The Frozen Autumn, or Mephisto Walz, how many degrees of separation are there between those, and artists like Collide, BlutEngel, Mortal Love, or Autumn Tears?

So I guess I'm curious to hear from goths themselves what they consider goth-adjacent, why (what was the actual goth music that would be played back-to-back with said goth-adjacent groups), and what they think the relationship is between those bands/artists and the general goth scene? It might also be interesting to hear where people are from/when they came into the scene to add context.

Maybe it's a stupid question but I had a sudden realization this morning…was it a term first used to describe Christian Death that just stuck around? I know they were some of the first to make this music and are considered the godfathers of DR. Maybe it's obvious and I'm just dense.